Neolithic Clothing in the Game?

I am certain that an ancient sex toy will not be shaped like a modern one. Modern toys often, or at least can mimic the phallus, but are made of latex rubber and are relatively safe. Still a large number of women get ‘stuck’ and have to seek medical attention, the public is unaware of this for obvious reasons of privacy and mental wellbeing of patients.

Now there was no ER to go to in Ancient Egypt/Greece etc, so a toy needs to be designed to be easier to remove than to insert. This makes it safe. It also permits a broadly standardised tapered toy as a one size fits all item.

We see a lot of phallic sculptures because male fertility is a major part in religious practice. Asherah poles/Maypoles for instance. It makes a lot of sense for a religious phallus to look like the real thing, it makes sense for it to be smooth because religious icons are well crafted for the most part, it insults the gods to go cheap on religious iconography. I really dont think they were smoothed for internal use.

Meanwhile modern historians completely mistake the artifacts because modern humans use latex sex toys not wooden ones, and they can afford to be shaped proportionately to an idealised form while remaining safe, while equally importantly, modern humans tend to put things like crosses or Buddhas on altars, not ceremonial phalluses.

“As for the clothing, I’m hand spinning and weaving using the exact techniques of the Neolithic. This is what it looks and feels like, though for style might have been site Lee different as there’s no way to be sure. Neolithic linen is rough. It can be made softer by soaking in water and beating, which I will be doing with a skirt I’m currently weaving. I did this with the linen loincloth, and it became much softer, but it still nowhere near as soft as leather.”

Otzi was found with woven cloth, has any study been made to close up photograph the cloth and follow the weave. It would be good to know thread length, thread connections, width of the weave. forensic close up of the weave should give us an estimate of the size of the loom if we can ascertain where threads are connected. Its a lot of work, but sufficient number ofphotographic close ups followed by a creful examination of each thread would give us a LOT of info about the weaving technology. It’s how I would do it anyway.

I think the problem here may be the presupposition that a woman or man might not own such a device purely for the purpose of pleasure. While I’m sure sex and religion have had a close bond for a long time, it is also true that one might simply enjoy the device. The images that you posted earlier would not just be unpleasant, they would be very painful and perhaps even traumatic and damaging to use. Trauma like that can also lead to a UTI, which could be quite fatal in those times.

I just don’t see such an object being used unless it were smooth, like the one found in Germany and the many such phallic objects found in Egypt, all carefully smoothed.

Otzi was also not Neolithic, which is one reason we can still see his clothing. Very little fiber clothing exists from the Neolithic because it doesn’t hold up very well. We don’t even have a vast amount of Iron Age and Bronze Age clothing, the Neolithic virtually doesn’t exist. Much of what is illustrated of Neolithic clothing is inferential based on what we knew they had, some fibers that have been found and by looking at what was created later, using a backwards inferential method.

You find pants, and then you find leggings with a codpiece. The next logical progression backwards would be leggings and a breechcloth, and before that a simple loincloth. This is actually very similar in technique to the way reconstructed languages are made, and a technique that I used extensively while creating my reconstructed languages for my books.

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If you look at the Turin erotic papyrus the tapered sex toy being used only penetrates a short distance.

I doubt you would want a prehistoric sex toy for full insertion of any shape, for all the reasons you explained and understand better than I do (being a man). These are used differently and the Turin papyrus gives us graphic demonstration of that.

Above is a reconstruction of the papyrus. I have added spoiler tags for sake of anyones sensibilities. The sex toy is two thirds along from the left. Note that the phalluses in the papyrus are grossly outscale as cartoon porn, so I think the dildo is also.

You will notice it doesn’t go in far, and therefore can’t harm her. I think we can trust the Ancient Egyptians to think through their entertainment technology, they had long enough to get it right.

The image is too small to be seen either way, but consider the fact that many of these papyrus documents are symbolic.

Keep in mind that even if this is directly representative of what they did, it in no way shape or form gives reason to assume the other shapes that you displayed were used for this purpose. Note that a tapered conical form has a uniform circumference and radius and each given height, and is apparently smooth.

(I would point out that this is sort of an odd conversation topic)

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I edited it after I noticed the image was too small.

It is an odd conversation topic, but ancient history is ‘lived in’. We should move away from Victorian revisionism and see the ancient world as it was.
We are very lucky the Turin papyrus, the only pornopraphic artifact of its kind to survive, still exists. There were many petitions to destroy it by misguided moralists, some disturbingly recently.

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I certainly don’t shy away from such humanity in my books, but I very much doubt much of this sort of thing will occur in the game.

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You never know. I think it would be good to include Asherah poles and ceremonial phallus, the game need not animate the rituals that go with them. The former is just a maypole, and could be used as such, the latter is just a holy stick on an altar that you cant quite zoom in close enough to recognise.

Well, you can interpret everything into this polished stone. Besides using it as a sex toy, I would think of a pestle for a mortar. I do not want to deprive the archaeologists of their fun, but a really good dildo could be made simpler and more comfortable out of wood or bone instead of cold stone. :wink:

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I think bone would be smoothest, but wood… eek! I know the Egyptians used stone.

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Finding blue material is not the problem. Each privet or bilberry and some other plants and minerals (lapis lazuli) supply it. The problem lies in the fixation and the maintenance of color fidelity in use. In the Middle Ages Waid (Isatis tinctoria) was used for a long time, and even the Celts used it for their war paint. (writes Caesar) How far back the use goes … who knows?

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:grin: O.k., we take for “the” bone :wink:

Find your work great. Some reminiscent of Indian costume, presumably there are handcrafted logical connections. Am also firmly convinced that somehow everything feasible was made, combined and worn. Some were useful and refined, others turned out to be garbage and then ignored. But - it was there for some time (or more often over and over again), after all, there were thousands of years to experiment.

Was definitely used by the Picts (my ancestors \o/).
They have even found fibers containing it in prehistoric sites, though that does not mean it was used as a colorant at that time. We factually know that word was used at least as far back as ~50 BCE. We also know that stones like turquoise were highly prized and traded around the world even before that time, and what separates their look from other materials is there beautiful blue or green color (I used to collect raw turquoise from the desert that I lived in).

(Picts are my ancestors. I will dress as one for Halloween this year, including woad!!! I have a 450g/1Lb silver torc, too)

In effect, though I have read some of the research about the color blue, I find it difficult to reconcile with all of the other evidence which contradicts it. It may be that we didn’t have a very good differentiation of blue wavelengths, but I believe we definitely could see and understand blue.

(I even have a scene depicting how word is processed in my first book lol it involves using human urine lol)

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[Early Neolithic clothing preparation - Used a Moana doll lol]

Some of it is very much reminiscent of Native American clothing because they were achieving the same goal with basically the same equipment and materials. We are all just humans, so you’ll find a lot of similarities. Now there are differences in the artwork and some of the specific styles, which you don’t notice that with simple things like loincloths. That’s more noticed when you wear a jacket or something.

Pikten - now I realize a lot! Therefore, this warrior gene “Femal Warriors” and so …:grin:
These are the original Scots …? Anyway, rest of England had a lot of fun with you for a long time :wink:

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We will hopefully get pictures …?

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The Picts formed seven nations which existed about where Scotland is today. They interbred with the Scotti tribe eventually becoming the Scots.

Notible Picts:

Scatha

Queen Boudica

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Not of me… but the torc, sure lol


Retails for ~$1000 now, but it was around $700 when I bought it many years ago.
I wear it nearly every day. It is an authentic reproduction… no fake costume jewelry for me lol

It is quite heavy.

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I think bone would be smoothest, but wood… eek! I know the Egyptians used stone.

Stone/ceramic can be dipped in a hot glaze. Do this a few times and it is smooth. The glaze will not surive the passage of time.

Wood is dangerous, both wood and bone will be health problems, party from possible splinters but also from the inability to wash the toy. Solid ceramic is the superior choice i think, easy to manufacture, easy to glaze and easy to clean for safe reuse

I would think of a pestle for a mortar.

That will need to be made of stone, both for mortar and pestle, they are also easy to identify.

These are the original Scots …? Anyway, rest of England had a lot of fun with you for a long time

Primitive Celts are generally divided into the Gauls in France, the Picts who broadly became Scots and Irish and the Britons who became Cornish and Welsh, and bred with Romans.
The Angles and Saxons came over and largely bred with themselves and then Norse came over and bred with everyone.
There is substantially more Norse blood than Celt in modern Irish, ironically less than modern Cornish English, Scots have the strongest connexion to Celt genes, and also the worlds highest proportion of ginger hair.